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This is a message to some of my clients who seem to think every bump and scrape requires a 911 ambulance ride to the emergency room.  In case you’re new and not sure what client means, a client is a person who perceives themselves to be a patient even though, based on a thorough assessment, they have no condition that warrants even a BLS ambulance.

You were sitting at your desk and felt a sharp pain in your wrist while typing.  Instead of rubbing the wrist and taking a break, making an appointment with your doctor, you’ve called 911 and reported an odd tingling.  You also decide to mention you’re sleepy and overworked, hoping your boss is listening so you can have the rest of the day off.  My dispatchers combine sleepy and tingling arm and (magically) dispatch a full medical assignment to a possible stroke.  6 lives are put at risk driving lights and sirens (A whole other debate) to your wrist.

When I arrive you are alert, oriented and all your vital signs are normal for you.  I examine your wrist and find no edema, discoloration, decreased range of motion or anything else indicating an injury, let alone an emergency.

Then you say my new favorite line:

“I think I should go in and get it checked out.”

When I take a deep breath and say, “Can you drive or call a friend to take you” while screaming in my head “What do you think I just did?” you reply that no, you know your rights and have insurance so you’ll be going in the ambulance.

Riding your bike in the park can be nice.  When you miss that crack in the sidewalk and fall off your bike, scraping your elbow, you should get back up and ride along.  Instead you’ve called 911.  The magic dispatch computer is once again sending the world because you used the words bike accident and headache.  When I get there you’re on the phone with your brother who is telling you to go in and get checked out.  I check you out and give you the self adhesive bandage common in most homes and tell you to be more careful.  Then you hand me the phone and the brother tells me all about the actress who hit her head and died the next day, then demands you go in to get checked out.

“Did you hit your head?” I ask the rider.

“No, just landed on my elbow, but do you think my head might be hurt anyways?  You never can be too careful.”  He replies.  Then removes his pristine helmet.

“You can be too careful actually.”

“I want to go with you and get checked out.”

You are a Medical Doctor.  You run a successful practice here on the 5th floor of the medical building across the street from the ER.  911 was activated when one of your patients arrived with a rash on her ankle and wanted a cream or salve to help with the irritation.  It was 5 minutes after 5 PM and you called 911 from the elevator lobby to get her transported to the hospital across the street.

“Is this a transfer, Doc, or is this a 911 activation for a rash?” I thought it was a perfectly fair question.

“Do your job and take her over to get checked out.” Was his answer.  I didn’t have the confidence back then to remind him that checking her out was actually HIS job in the first place.  I also later learned that driving people to the hospital is not my job.

“Do I really need to get in the ambulance?  I can just cross the street on my own.” The woman told us.  And we didn’t stop her.  I know now we would advise her that if she can, come back to the doctor’s office in the morning with a big smile on your face and ask to be “checked out.”

Point being, friends outside the business, is that what I do when I arrive on the scene of your “emergency” is check you out.  When I take a deep breath, stand up and ask you what you think you should do, that is your cue to say, “I guess I don’t need an ambulance.”  Because if you did, I’d have you at the hospital by now.

Want to go get checked out?  What do you think I just did?

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  • josephschmoe

    Client! Client! The K.B.F.P.D. has spent the better part of 10 years getting me to call 'em customers. I don't think I can handle another change.

    BTW, the scenarios you describe is what we have created. Not only in EMS, but in all segments of our culture. In increasing numbers, society is becoming dependent on others to handle things they should be doing themselves.

    It amazes me,

  • Little Girl

    HM, remember the people who man the phones & dispatch the crews are doing a job you can't or don't want to do. Half the time we know the person is not having a stroke, but we are bound by the policies and protocols we are told to follow from our Upper Management.

    We are scrutinized just like any fire fighter, paramedic, and police officer out there. I suggest to you, that maybe its time for your Call Takers and Dispatchers to hear from the Street Crews; if you disagree with a call type, put an inquiring in and find out why it was put in like that, you might be surprised to find out that the Call Taker & Dispatcher did nothing wrong based on the information we are allowed to gather from the patient, and what the patient supplied. On the other end, you might start the wheels of change rolling in your dispatch centre – changing the training methods supplied to the Call Takers and Dispatchers so that they know when someone reports a tingling in a hand or wrist area that is not a card 28 but possible a card 30 or card 26.

    Remember – the 4th Emergency Service is Dispatch, and we are fighting to get recognized as that. I am not just a magic computer that sit up in a dark and gloomy office in some light industrial park flipping cards, and looking for the words and statements likes clammy, unconscious, chest pain, change in colour – there is a human factor that goes into every dispatch, learn about that human factor and you will be better at your job.

  • http://thehappymedic.com the Happy Medic

    Little Girl, you know I have the greatest respect for the voices that tell me where the sick people are. I refer to the magical coding system that does a wonderful job until some supervisor or overly nervous person changes it. I have been to too many 26A1 Severe Respiratory Distress calls because someone heard crying in the background. My dig here is not on the folks answering the phones or sending out the jobs, but on the overly rigid system that magically takes what they are told and upgrades it “just to be safe.” Funny how being safe means putting my life on the line.
    We need managers to constantly evaluate feedback from onscene crews to adjust the guidelines for the folks dealing with the screaming woman demanding an ambulance for a stubbed toe.
    it is indeed a job I could not do. I have no patience to man the phones or the radio, hence why i am in the field.

  • Little Girl

    I welcome a call from my crews asking why any call was coded a certain way. Remember my hands are tied just like yours are. Question #3 is 'Okay, tell me exactly what happen,' and if they reply with, “I think I am having a stroke,' I can't deviate from the stroke card, or ask any free lance questions.

    The MPDS cards are created in Utah by Medical Professionals with years of book and street knowledge, and they set certain standard for every centre to follow. There is a QA (Quality Assurance) system set up to determine if Call Takers are following the card correctly, and allows the Call Takers to learn from their previous mistakes when evaluating calls. The ultimate goal of the cards is to supply the responding crews with information to help them prepare to enter the scene safely, and with some patient information; also, we want to offer everyone who calls 9-1-1 with the same level of care right from the beginning.

    HM, has anyone actually sat down with you to explain how the card system even works?? Ask questions, and get explanations on why you are sent on a call a certain way – that is the only way the Wheels of Change start to roll.

    No one call evaluation system is correct. No one is perfect, and God only knows why the caller may lie to us but it happens. Get to know your Call Takers, Dispatchers, & Supervisors and maybe you will get some of your answers.

  • Little Girl

    I welcome a call from my crews asking why any call was coded a certain way. Remember my hands are tied just like yours are. Question #3 is 'Okay, tell me exactly what happen,' and if they reply with, “I think I am having a stroke,' I can't deviate from the stroke card, or ask any free lance questions.

    The MPDS cards are created in Utah by Medical Professionals with years of book and street knowledge, and they set certain standard for every centre to follow. There is a QA (Quality Assurance) system set up to determine if Call Takers are following the card correctly, and allows the Call Takers to learn from their previous mistakes when evaluating calls. The ultimate goal of the cards is to supply the responding crews with information to help them prepare to enter the scene safely, and with some patient information; also, we want to offer everyone who calls 9-1-1 with the same level of care right from the beginning.

    HM, has anyone actually sat down with you to explain how the card system even works?? Ask questions, and get explanations on why you are sent on a call a certain way – that is the only way the Wheels of Change start to roll.

    No one call evaluation system is correct. No one is perfect, and God only knows why the caller may lie to us but it happens. Get to know your Call Takers, Dispatchers, & Supervisors and maybe you will get some of your answers.

  • topv7051

    Little Girl,

    Have you ever done a ride along or actually spoken to a firefighter or medic face to face? You have taken this completely wrong, believing you have been slighted as a dispatcher in some way. HM's complaint has nothing to do with you or any other dispatcher-unless you were to dispatch an ambulance to yourself for wrist pain during your shift. The complaint of every FF/Medic is that the majority of those who call 911 and request an ambulance do so for personal convenience, laziness, or to document for a lawsuit, not for a life threatening emergency. It has gotten to the point where we might as well take the “E” out of “EMS”. We can handle being overworked and putting up with the BS, but it really does bother us when we are tied up with someone who could have taken a taxi to their family doctor while John Q Citizen has a legitimate heart attack and we have no one available until it's too late.

  • SJMedic

    I wonder if things are the same in the UK… I have read a couple times on Medic999's blog that he gets great satisfaction out of assessing patients and recommending them to the proper level of care.

  • GamedicBC

    This may not be the exact location to post this but I want to know who host your blog. I need info on setting up an EMS blog. Thanks for your help. I really have enjoyed your blog since finding it.

  • riottheedrn

    Not the same here. Here that's considered a “medical recommendation” which only a physician can make. You can make a recommendation only if you want to open up yourself and your service to a lawsuit. Maybe when we have socialized medicine like the UK (notice I didn't say 'if'. With this administration and this Congress it's just gonna happen) those rules will change.

  • riottheedrn

    Not the same here. Here that's considered a “medical recommendation” which only a physician can make. You can make a recommendation only if you want to open up yourself and your service to a lawsuit. Maybe when we have socialized medicine like the UK (notice I didn't say 'if'. With this administration and this Congress it's just gonna happen) those rules will change.

  • Little Girl

    I was trained by paramedics (and I was suppose to be their example that non-medically trained personal couldn't be Call Takers or Dispatchers for EMS ((it back fired on them)). I have many friends that are paramedics and fire fighters too.

    For every person who calls 9-1-1 for the reasons you mentioned before a 9-1-1 Officer is being tired up too potentially until Fire and or EMS crews arrive at patient side.

    I completely understand your concerns. There is a lot of BS calls you have to deal with, it is a horrible nasty circle.

    My concerns come when paramedics and fire fighters refers to dispatch as a 'magical computer system' or a job that a monkey can do. I am a person who is bound by certain regulations that doesn't allow me to freelance far from what that patient has told me. I have to go with what they tell me and trust them.

    The point I was trying to make was when paramedics and fire fighters have problems with the call types and response they are sent on, maybe if they asked dispatch or a supervisor why the call was coded a certain way they will learn why, and change might happen.

  • http://thehappymedic.com the Happy Medic

    Head over to blogger.com and you can sign up for free. Put up your first post, then come back here and post a link. Good luck!

  • GamedicBC

    Thank you. I just started the blog and signed up at fireemsblog. I am waiting to hear a reply. Thanks for the information. Good luck on your endevor. I sent you an email in reference to the project. I am looking forward to a response.

  • http://talesofaschoolbusdriver.blogspot.com/ The Bus Driver

    Having recently been in a car wreck, I am now more eternally grateful for the quick response times of EMS and Police. Initially, I had everyone and their brother (NOT medical people) tell me I should “go get checked out” That irritated me more than anything because even though the car LOOKED bad, I had already done a self assessment in my head, didn't note or feel any pain, AND had glanced over at the other driver noting any signs of pain or injury.

    Yet I still had people telling me to “go get checked out”. EMS did arrive on the scene, came over and simply asked if I was ok. I told him, “Yes, I was wearing my seatbelt and that I felt fine.” And other than crying near hysterics because of the darned shock of having an accident, I was physically fine. I signed the release immediately to allow the EMS folks to get back into service for someone who may more urgently need assistance.

    The way I figured, I wasn't hurting then, I could physically move and was mentally rational, and I had a friend on the way to help me. Why should *I* tie up valuable EMS resources for a simple ride down the road in an ambulance to be told to sit and wait a couple hours in the ER because I showed no signs of being physically injured.

  • http://talesofaschoolbusdriver.blogspot.com/ The Bus Driver

    Having recently been in a car wreck, I am now more eternally grateful for the quick response times of EMS and Police. Initially, I had everyone and their brother (NOT medical people) tell me I should “go get checked out” That irritated me more than anything because even though the car LOOKED bad, I had already done a self assessment in my head, didn't note or feel any pain, AND had glanced over at the other driver noting any signs of pain or injury.

    Yet I still had people telling me to “go get checked out”. EMS did arrive on the scene, came over and simply asked if I was ok. I told him, “Yes, I was wearing my seatbelt and that I felt fine.” And other than crying near hysterics because of the darned shock of having an accident, I was physically fine. I signed the release immediately to allow the EMS folks to get back into service for someone who may more urgently need assistance.

    The way I figured, I wasn't hurting then, I could physically move and was mentally rational, and I had a friend on the way to help me. Why should *I* tie up valuable EMS resources for a simple ride down the road in an ambulance to be told to sit and wait a couple hours in the ER because I showed no signs of being physically injured.

  • totwtytr

    Of course, these are the same people who complain about how much they have to pay for auto and medical insurance, not realizing that they are part of the problem. They also complain about how long they had to wait in the ED to be seen, because Lord knows that their picayune problem is absolutely the most serious one in there. Often, they are only there because their PCP is too lazy or too busy to see them and so dumps them on EMS and the ED.

  • totwtytr

    Of course, these are the same people who complain about how much they have to pay for auto and medical insurance, not realizing that they are part of the problem. They also complain about how long they had to wait in the ED to be seen, because Lord knows that their picayune problem is absolutely the most serious one in there. Often, they are only there because their PCP is too lazy or too busy to see them and so dumps them on EMS and the ED.

  • totwtytr

    Of course, these are the same people who complain about how much they have to pay for auto and medical insurance, not realizing that they are part of the problem. They also complain about how long they had to wait in the ED to be seen, because Lord knows that their picayune problem is absolutely the most serious one in there. Often, they are only there because their PCP is too lazy or too busy to see them and so dumps them on EMS and the ED.

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