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Fire blogger Fire Critic has made comments in the past about the mission of the modern fire service.  Heck, that’s most of his coverage.  I respect his views and check his site daily for news, advice and ideas to make my career safer and better.

He recently posted a question that has been being kicked around ambulance bays for a years. “Is EMS a Profession?”  In the post he made 3 main points about the EMS 2.0 concept that is gaining shape and attention.  I made a comment there, but wanted to expand on them in my own forum.

Just a quick note on EMS 2.0.  It does not belong to me, but to us all.  Anyone who wants to improve the way EMS is delivered is included.  Each community needs a different system, so there is no single answer to the number of problems we face from salary to education to resources available.  I prefer to focus on the system designs and transport options as opposed to advanced practice, which I think CKemtP covers far better than I.

Back to Fire Critic’s notes:

  1. At what point in advancing more in-depth treatments, on scene surgical protocols, more advanced medicine treatments, and all around increase in skills will the Paramedics be required to go to longer schooling? This longer term in schooling might mean that many decide to go the route of a PA, Nurse Practitioner, or MD.

There is a lot in there, so let me see if I can cover each point fairly.  CK may disagree with me on this because we work in separate systems and parts of the country, but I think we need to focus more on increasing our education first rather than adding skills first.  I think our patients could certainly benefit from in-field suturing, basic wound treatment and diabetic or respiratory treatments without a transport to the hospital, but as a young profession, we still have most of our brothers and sisters far below the training level needed for these treatments.

Paramedics in the near future should be at least an Associate’s degree, but even then 2 years is barely enough schooling for what we’re being asked to do.  If you want to take a one year program and get paid a ton of money just because you “got your medic” just quit now.  If you want to get paid better, get schooled and get on the road.

I have to disagree about more education leading to Paramedics wanting to go the route of a PA or MD.  If we want to make a difference on the street, a PA or MD will not help us.  Those who do decide to continue on in their education get my full support, but we still need better training than we’re giving now.

As Mike Ward mentions in his apparently ever growing post “The next Paramedic Shortage” the focus seems to be on getting undergraduate and graduate degrees.  I agree 100%.  if you think taking public speaking and statistics at a college won’t help you in the ambulance you are wrong.  a strong educational base teaches us decision making, how to learn and time management, not to mention the obvious benefits from classes like Advanced Assessment, Clinical Research and Systems Design.

A high school diploma and an EMT-P certificate means you have done the absolute minimum in our profession. (EMT-Basic aside, of course.)

2. At what point will this increase in overall medical knowledge require higher paying salaries?

As your Paramedics are better trained not only in their skills, but in how the system should operate, they are a move valuable resource to their employers.  They anticipate patient care issues, are constantly looking to self improve and understand they are a part of a larger system.  This will lead to fewer errors, better patient outcomes and a more successful company.  That should be something companies are willing to pay more for.  How much more is hard to say and will obviously vary by region.  Would you pay an office worker who does the minimum the same as the next guy with the degree and better results?

3. At what point will these increased salaries be realized as waste for taking nose bleeds (BS calls) to the hospitals?

When your higher educated practitioners recognize that a nosebleed is not (in most cases) in need of an ambulance, they can direct that person to a proper care facility or agency instead of the automatic default transport or refusal.  This is the situation that drives me today.

Our pal CK often writes that everyone deserves an ambulance and I agree to a point.  I think everyone deserves to have an ambulance available in case of an emergency.

Another pal Steve Whitehead did a popular post about the patient being the one that defines what is an emergency.  I disagree with this post.

If I call an electrician and tell him what to do with no regard for what he can and can’t do, then demand he do what I say, chances are he’ll leave.  If a person calls 911 and I respond for a stubbed toe, the person who called decides what level of service they get, not the highly trained expert that responded.  Why is that?

Paramedics, even the minimum requirement ones, know the difference between an emergency and something that is not.  We operate a service that has become all encompassing and people have noticed.  A higher trained work force can gain the respect and trust from proactive medical directors who can authorize their crews, who have been trained, to redirect that stubbed toe or bloody nose to the proper care, not the ambulance.  The number of non emergency calls that people think are an emergency will not change in the near future.

One of the major problems, as FC notes in his post, is the lack of EMS preventative care.  The American Fire Service has worked very hard to educate the public about fire safety, almost to the point that they are struggling to prove their services are needed.  EMS preventative care includes a lot of things people don’t want to hear.

Stop smoking. – I can smoke if I want, it’s a victimless crime.  Until you develop emphysema and call an ambulance every 3 days when you can’t breathe anymore.

Eat right. – I’ll eat what I want, Medic boy, you’re not a doctor.  True, but you’re wheezing just from lifting that triple cheese burger.   Eat right and your heart won’t have to work so hard.

Drive safely. – Shut up, I’m late.  And you’ll be forever late when you run that yellow light without seeing the kid stepping into the crosswalk.

Don’t stress. – You have no idea what I’m going through.  I do actually, since I got all that fancy training in college.

It’s a hard sell.  Making builders add sprinklers to a school is an easier sell than getting those builders to stop smoking, eat right, stress less and drive safely.  These things are seen as “liberties” or “rights” and something that no one should be forced to change.  If they can’t see the benefit to living a healthy life, how will I ever convince them that doing so will mean hey live longer and run less of a chance of being in my ambulance?

So when Fire Critic asks “EMS a Profession?” I say “Yes.”

The future of EMS is wide open.  The Fire Service is struggling to stay fully staffed and equipped as the non EMS calls are dwindling away and the EMS staff is overworked, understaffed and underfunded in most places.

Some claim we need less Paramedics to keep skills up, while others think putting a patch on everything painted red is the answer.  I think instead of looking at us, we need to look at them, our clients.  Clients are persons who knowingly activate the 911 system without an emergency.  Let’s get some of those people to stop calling us by getting them alternate solutions.  When we stop taking them, but they actually get results from the options we suggest, everyone wins.

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  1. Mike "FossilMedic" Ward says

    Hey Happy!

    I have been revising and updating last week's item “The Next Paramedic Shortage” to make it a better article … and learn some of the features of the new neighborhood.

    Notice the trackback!

    Mike

    on October 21, 2009 @ 7:45 pm.
  2. Ckemtp says

    I'm flattered that you would say that I would better than you at writing on advanced practice topics. Thank you. Actually I'm better at writing about kneeling in poo. Rogue Medic is the smart one.

    A while ago I wrote a post called “Any Random Person” (http://lifeunderthelights.com/2009/02/any-rando...) that discusses skills being passed down to the lower EMS educational levels from the place they originated, which is the physician. It talks about the danger of EMS people being seen as “Skills Monkeys” or just a set of fancy tricks without the requisite education. I actually don't disagree with Happy, I believe wholeheartedly that EMS should be a degreed profession.

    In fact, breaking with my fellow dedicated volunteers (Yes, I work two FT paramedic jobs and volunteer as a paramedic as well), (because I'm insane) I would like to state my dream that the current paramedic level would be the basic level in years to come and the paramedic level would be closer to a PA-C or ARNP (Physician Asst. or Nurse Practitioner). An AAS would be the minimum educational achievement to become a paramedic.

    Why is this? Because every patient that calls for help deserves some form of help. Our society is that civil and our country is that great. With that said, an ALS ambulance is not the right tool to help a great number of people who may be having some form of emergency. We should obtain those tools (Note, I didn't say “be given”) and use them to serve our mission.

    In the current state of EMS, every patient should be sent an ALS ambulance. The system is too limited to change my opinion on that in regards to patient safety. With better training and additional resources, it can and will change.

    I've got a post forthcoming.

    Oh, and since this is a WAY long comment already. Happy, have you seen people using EMS 2.0 as both a noun and an adjective? Awesome.

    on October 21, 2009 @ 10:51 pm.
  3. TheFireCritic says

    Great post and great replies to my questions.

    I have more…maybe follow up in a future post.

    I can't write about EMS all the time over at FC, they will think I am getting soft!!!

    Great post though!

    on October 21, 2009 @ 11:39 pm.
  4. SMITTY says

    The training program I went through for my basic requires a couple prerequisites, Basic Human Anatomy and Physiology and Introduction to Medical Terminology. This makes so much sense. A degreed could be tailored to improve the skills in many areas of a Medic that has nothing to do with patient care. Before I got into Fire/Ems I thought that a Medic was a degreed job. I thought you needed at least an associate degree.

    I believe the NREMT is trying to help bump up Medics with the changes in 2013 which will no longer allow medics from unaccredited training programs to sit for the exam. The problem is there are states that only have a couple of accredited programs. In Michigan, only 2 of the 42 programs are accredited.

    The medical field is known for requiring formal education. I think bumping up the education requirements would be a good thing. The perception EMS has would improve internally, but do most patients know that their Medics are not required to be degreed now?

    on October 22, 2009 @ 8:54 am.
  5. olmedic says

    Excellent post! I think there is a huge misconception among the general public as to the education required of Paramedics in most areas. I also think that eventually, a degree will just be commonplace for medics.

    A Paramedic is still a very young profession, and yes I used profession. However, the education requirements of a medic are increasing and evolving every year and eventually, you will see many new areas of study opening up.

    If you look at how far we have come in just the 30+ years of EMS, you would have to anticipate there will some day even be specialized training courses for medics, much like nurses. College programs for medics to become pediatric medics, geriatric medics, and even surgical medics would not be out of question.

    Again, great article, great site, and keep up the good work!

    on October 22, 2009 @ 11:05 am.
  6. Ckemtp says

    Sounds like you took your EMT-Basic program through a community college and not a hospital or “Given at the station” class. Bravo. I did the college level A&P, biology, etc on my own during my EMT-Paramedic class. It wasn't required when I took it a decade or so ago.

    Bravo to your school

    on October 22, 2009 @ 11:48 am.
  7. Medic999 says

    Hey HM!

    I cant wait for you to get over here and see what you want to happen over there in action here (hopefully!!)

    There is still the issue though of your funding. If I have this right, no matter how highly trained your Paramedics are and how many options they have open to them, is it not the case that the dept will not get thier funding unless the patient travels to hospital?

    (I may be completely wrong, but thats my thoughts?)

    on October 22, 2009 @ 3:53 pm.
  8. the Happy Medic says

    And Medic999 has to burst my bubble. Just kidding, Mark. Indeed much of the funding for EMS in the private sector comes from the actual conveyance of a person from point A to point B, but really, why do we rely on that in the first place? Because health care in the United States is largely for profit. It is quite the political hot potato as you will see while here, but that is why I call it EMS 2.0 instead of EMS 1.1.2. We need to start over with new standards, new education goals and, unfortunately, a standardized model that can be deployed, then tailed to each community's needs. This will not happen in my service time but I'll be damned if I let the “It'll never work” crowd dictate the EMS my grand children will receive.
    Deep breath.
    Sorry about that Mark, but I can't wait to show you the dysfunctional family that is an average American EMS system, struggling to find it's purpose and goals, for going on 100 years.

    on October 22, 2009 @ 5:02 pm.
  9. the Happy Medic says

    Ol Medic. Welcome! Indeed Paramedic specialties have already emerged with Flight Medics and Mobile intensive Care Specialties finding their niches. imagine a rural community who hires not just a state license, but someone with a National Pediatric Paramedic License with the education to back it up. By the time most medical schools adopt a bachelor's in EMS program, those leading the way today will offer specialties which will be well respected throughout the EMS community.

    All we need is a few thousand folks interested in being better medics and we'll be all set.

    Oh, and a few billion dollars to train and pay them. But imagine the pay off 25 years later when they become the teachers and the industry quiets down and lets the practitioners have a say in how we do things.

    See you at the big one!
    HM

    on October 22, 2009 @ 5:05 pm.
  10. totwtytr says

    You know, HM, not for profit medicine is not picnic either. That, however is a story for a different day.
    I'm not crazy about the “EMS as prevention specialists” either. Nagging people, as public health advocates like to do it isn't particularly effective. There is a large difference between mandating smoke detectors, improving fire codes, etc., and trying to change human behavior. The former is relatively easy, the latter damned near impossible.

    Good luck in your quest to change human nature and society.

    on October 22, 2009 @ 5:19 pm.
  11. the Happy Medic says

    Agreed totw, human behavior is a hell of a difficult task, hence the reason we can't approach it from that direction. Not for profit medicine is a beast I don't understand, don't claim to, but if we all just plug along nothing will get better.
    i hope to earn from Mark how he does his job, which really is the same as mine, from a completely different system.
    I do hope to learn more about systems different than those I've been in. how else can we learn, right?
    Thanks for the comment, as always.

    on October 22, 2009 @ 7:10 pm.
  12. totwtytr says

    As far as the public health component, which is a nice way of saying nagging people into doing things that we think are good for them. I can think of no better way to alienate (piss off) the very people we whom we are trying to convince of our professionalism. I don't know about you guys, but I and most people I know hate to be preached to. This fight is not about more skills or prevention, it's about perception. If the public decides that we have so much extra time on our hands that we can waste it telling them how to live their lives, chances are they are going to cut our budgets every chance they get.

    First people want us to emulate nurses, now they want us emulate public health workers. Most of whom (and I know a fair number of them) have as little understanding of EMS as the general public. Well, less in fact.

    I leave you with the words of the Greek philosopher Epictetus

    “First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.”

    on October 23, 2009 @ 12:25 am.
  13. totwtytr says

    As far as the public health component, which is a nice way of saying nagging people into doing things that we think are good for them. I can think of no better way to alienate (piss off) the very people we whom we are trying to convince of our professionalism. I don't know about you guys, but I and most people I know hate to be preached to. This fight is not about more skills or prevention, it's about perception. If the public decides that we have so much extra time on our hands that we can waste it telling them how to live their lives, chances are they are going to cut our budgets every chance they get.

    First people want us to emulate nurses, now they want us emulate public health workers. Most of whom (and I know a fair number of them) have as little understanding of EMS as the general public. Well, less in fact.

    I leave you with the words of the Greek philosopher Epictetus

    “First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.”

    on October 23, 2009 @ 3:25 am.
  14. Peter O says

    My American friends may like ti consider the education situation in Australia, where we are fast moving toward bachelor degrees for all paramedics and postgraduate programs for those in critical care. See our professinal association site fro links to educational institutions and the debate about registration. http://www.acap.org.au/ We are having lots of discussion about the concept of professionalisation and associated topics like mandatory registration of paramedics as health professionals. Our scholistic journal has a whole section on professinalisation that would welcome contributions from the US. http://www.jephc.com/

    on November 23, 2009 @ 2:49 pm.
  15. Peter O says

    My American friends may like ti consider the education situation in Australia, where we are fast moving toward bachelor degrees for all paramedics and postgraduate programs for those in critical care. See our professinal association site fro links to educational institutions and the debate about registration. http://www.acap.org.au/ We are having lots of discussion about the concept of professionalisation and associated topics like mandatory registration of paramedics as health professionals. Our scholistic journal has a whole section on professinalisation that would welcome contributions from the US. http://www.jephc.com/

    on November 23, 2009 @ 5:49 pm.
  16. Peter O says

    My American friends may like ti consider the education situation in Australia, where we are fast moving toward bachelor degrees for all paramedics and postgraduate programs for those in critical care. See our professinal association site fro links to educational institutions and the debate about registration. http://www.acap.org.au/ We are having lots of discussion about the concept of professionalisation and associated topics like mandatory registration of paramedics as health professionals. Our scholistic journal has a whole section on professinalisation that would welcome contributions from the US. http://www.jephc.com/

    on November 23, 2009 @ 6:49 pm.
  17. Peter O says

    My American friends may like ti consider the education situation in Australia, where we are fast moving toward bachelor degrees for all paramedics and postgraduate programs for those in critical care. See our professinal association site fro links to educational institutions and the debate about registration. http://www.acap.org.au/ We are having lots of discussion about the concept of professionalisation and associated topics like mandatory registration of paramedics as health professionals. Our scholistic journal has a whole section on professinalisation that would welcome contributions from the US. http://www.jephc.com/

    on November 23, 2009 @ 10:49 pm.

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